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作者: 神枪手 时间: 2008-7-23 18:23
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作者: Adam.lEe.X 时间: 2008-7-24 01:02
哈哈。。。以后大家会因为这个专业而发现找工难的。。。

作者: Adam.lEe.X 时间: 2008-7-24 01:03
一年前BIS毕业的

作者: Joey 时间: 2008-7-24 03:02
畢業很久了，主科是System Development。

作者: Nick 时间: 2008-7-25 00:36
但是说真的，IS的课程比Computing的好念。。。

作者: nathanxu 时间: 2008-7-25 00:47
Complete IS long time ago, major is EB and MIS.

作者: 神枪手 时间: 2008-7-25 02:08
好念是好念，但是很难找工作啊。呵呵。

作者: rambler 时间: 2008-7-25 10:39
碰到找工作就郁闷了...

作者: laoshi 时间: 2008-7-25 17:15

原帖由 神枪手 于 2008-7-25 02:08 发表
好念是好念，但是很难找工作啊。呵呵。

Has anybody wondered why it's harder to find a professional job with an IS degree?

When you look for professional jobs in Australia, you are competing with local western people for jobs. We can never compete with them in terms of English language skills because it's their first language. Therefore, if a job demands high level communication skills (in English), we are not in a good position to compete for it.

Unfortunately IS-related jobs demand high level communication skills, which is why it's harder for us to win. Similarly, Business-major graduates face the same sort of challenges.

In the meantime, I know many (Chinese) Computing graduates have been offered professional jobs in Australia. Computing (or IT) is probably the only major that does not demand high level communication skills. Western people agree that if you are good at programming languages, it is OK that your English language is not so good, because for IT jobs, you work in front of a computer (programming, designing websites, creating graphics, software testing, etc) silently without having to talk to the clients.

This brings up a hard issue: some students say that they are not good at programming and do not want to learn it ... well, this is a decision that you have to make: do you want to study for a harder degree (such as Computing) and then easily find a professional job, or study for an easy degree but then have difficulty finding a professional job?

By the way, most western people also hate programming so they do not want to apply for such IT jobs, which makes it easier for international students to apply. Western people love IS or Business related jobs because they enjoy talking to people and hate sitting in front of a computer silently to do programming ...

作者: 神枪手 时间: 2008-7-25 17:24
分析的非常好．

请问楼上的是ＩＴ前辈吗？

作者: yxhu 时间: 2008-7-25 17:27

原帖由 laoshi 于 2008-7-25 17:15 发表

By the way, most western people also hate programming so they do not want to apply for such IT jobs, which makes it easier for international students to apply. Western people love IS or Business related jobs because they enjoy talking to people and hate sitting in front of a computer silently to do programming ...

not agree with this part. Many programming gurus are western people instead of chinese !

I have seen so many western people who love programming and their skills are good too!

作者: laoshi 时间: 2008-7-25 17:43

原帖由 神枪手 于 2008-7-25 17:24 发表
分析的非常好．

请问楼上的是ＩＴ前辈吗？

Well, I have been working in the IT industry for only 12 years, so I can not be sure if I could be considered an ＩＴ前辈 :-)

作者: laoshi 时间: 2008-7-25 17:49

原帖由 yxhu 于 2008-7-25 17:27 发表

not agree with this part. Many programming gurus are western people instead of chinese !

I have seen so many western people who love programming and their skills are good too!

I agree with you ... but I never said that *all* western people hate programming. The point I wanted to make is that because *most* people in Australia do not like programming, it's then easier for us to apply for IT related jobs in this country. You are lucky if you are interested in IT.

By the way, there are more Chinese and Russian IT gurus in this world.

作者: 神枪手 时间: 2008-7-25 17:50
only 12 years???

::zt85:: 楼上的你真逗啊．呵呵。

肯定可以说的上是前辈了．谦虚了．

作者: yxhu 时间: 2008-7-25 17:50

原帖由 laoshi 于 2008-7-25 17:43 发表

Well, I have been working in the IT industry for only 12 years, so I can not be sure if I could be considered an ＩＴ前辈 :-)

12 years? how old are you ?:s

I only worked 66 months

作者: Adam.lEe.X 时间: 2008-7-25 18:03
说的就是这个道理啊。。。唉::zt13::

作者: Douglas 时间: 2008-7-25 18:28
老话题了....从市场角度也是一个原因..

不过另外一个原因大家都很清楚,不用想都知道了..

很多人读IS是因为好读...容易过..不是为了真正学一门知识...

一个想读书的人, 读哪门都差不到哪去, 当然没天份就做不了天才了..

不是故意伤害某些人,只是想给那些准备换一个"容易"的专业的学生们提个醒,容易毕业不容易找工作..

作者: tas2005 时间: 2008-7-26 16:02

原帖由 Nick 于 2008-7-25 00:36 发表
但是说真的，IS的课程比Computing的好念。。。

没这回事...主要是看你肯不肯花时间去念...

作者: Shaker 时间: 2008-7-26 16:27
::zt60:: 真正有能力的人读啥专业都成,就看个人的兴趣了~~~

作者: hobart_ling 时间: 2008-7-28 21:40
为什么说到COMMUNICATION,ENGLISH..就是IS找工作的弱势了?难道COMPUTING不需要说话了?那ACCOUNTING的,MARKETING的,LAWYER的就不用吃饭了吗?在本岛有那么多大公司的中高层都是非英语母语的, 街上那些失业的整天嚷嚷标准F**k的都是英语母语的~
念书的要选择自己擅长的,兴趣的和自己职业规划最贴近的.
找工作的先把抱怨专业不好,非母语这些情绪先放放,做点务实的事情.多找机会去锻炼交流能力.虽然不是念IS的,但其实我觉得IS课程挺好的,工作几年再念会更好.

作者: rambler 时间: 2008-7-28 21:49
标题: 回复 20# hobart_ling 的帖子
前辈说得很有道理......

作者: Adam.lEe.X 时间: 2008-7-28 22:24
没有什么事情是绝对的，就学习来说

IS可能较Comp会容易理解一些，但也绝不是什么省油的课程

特别是较comp来说，IS不容易高分，IS学的是那种无边无际的东西

好念一样有人挂的！找工作来说，客观上讲IS比comp要困难，而且困难不少

还就是说到沟通的问题，在澳洲当然没有什么专业是不需要英语沟通的，

包括comp，可是大家要看一个专业对沟通的依赖性！

楼上有人说不是一样还有marketing lawyer什么的，当然有！为什么没有？！

难！但是不等于不可能啊！

IS的职业定位也是相对尴尬的，senior position比较多，经验就不用说了

回到念书来说，没有天才只有兴趣和努力

难道选择IS就注定脑子不如comp？没理由吧

有人愿意编程，有人愿意写分析report的，没有谁特别牛逼谁特别傻逼的！

ps：其实accounting很难找工作，对经验要求的太严格了

[ 本帖最后由 Adam.lEe.X 于 2008-7-28 22:30 编辑 ]

作者: 神枪手 时间: 2008-7-28 23:09
仁者见仁，智者见智。

大家讲的都很有道理啊。

作者: rambler 时间: 2008-7-28 23:14
今天跟IT公司的MANAGER谈...IS想要入手工作看来还是得从基础的技术员入手

作者: hobart_ling 时间: 2008-7-28 23:15
亲爱的LEE似乎没有看清楚我的话哈. 我说的是念MARKETING,LAWYER和COMPUTING的也会遇见语言问题. 就象你说的难度都是有的. IS的课我一直觉得不错的,任何专业都没有天才和傻逼所以我不同意说念IS就是途个轻松.这你不用激动. 各行各业都是一样竞争激烈. 但是对于选择专业的朋友,我是建议从自己兴趣出发考虑.

[ 本帖最后由 hobart_ling 于 2008-7-28 23:17 编辑 ]

作者: Adam.lEe.X 时间: 2008-7-28 23:22
误会我啦，我没有针对任何人的啊，

就事论事丫。。。对事不对人的，大家各抒己见嘛::xt029::

我木有激动啊::xt018::

作者: hobart_ling 时间: 2008-7-28 23:24
来,抱抱个!

作者: Adam.lEe.X 时间: 2008-7-28 23:28
::zt34:: ::zt34:: ::zt34:: 表！

作者: DX. 时间: 2008-7-30 13:53
找工作很大程度也考运气

作者: 神枪手 时间: 2008-7-30 16:18
实力＋勇气＋运气＝走向无敌　　::xt029::

作者: tas2005 时间: 2008-7-31 01:17

原帖由 神枪手 于 2008-7-30 16:18 发表
实力＋勇气＋运气＝走向无敌　　::xt029::

还是开个公是好了

作者: Joey 时间: 2008-7-31 15:14
第一年出來，公司都看在校成績。反正還是要Training的，你在校成績好，代表你聰明，所以training也快。

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